Spacemen Pod

An irregular series of Spacemen 3 related chats with Ian Edmond and Mark Lascelles.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/spacemen-pod/id1561964313
SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/spacemenpod
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKUzNlJ-Qa-PU0LocXoryyA
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spacemenpod/


We take a look back at Spacemen 3’s performance at Watermans Arts Centre from 19 August 1988, the gig everyone now calls Dreamweapon. With contributions from Spaceman for the night Steve Evans, bassist Will Carruthers, taper Andy Jackson, Vinita Joshi of Rocket Girl Records, Steve Mitchell of Fierce Recordings, attendees Col Todd and Paul Thorpe from the band The Loveblobs, latter-day Spaceman Mark Refoy, and the late, great, Pat Fish.

Dreamweapon on YouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qA0nelfNc

Will Carruthers’ Patreon, with free download of Will talking about Dreamweapon: www.patreon.com/willcarruthers

Pat Fish RIP – The Jazz Butcher fan website: jazzbutcher.com/

Steve Johnson’s contemporary photos of Watermans Arts Centre: www.facebook.com/groups/515954225…474226329363705/

Andy Jackson’s interview with Sonic Boom from issue 5 of Sowing Seeds: spacemen3.co.uk/press/198804sowingseeds/

Official Spiritualized site information about the new album: www.spiritualized.com/blogs/news/eve…-was-beautiful

Video for Spiritualized’s Always Together With You: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0ji3o05UQ

Some information about the Loveblobs: rareindie.blogspot.com/2007/07/loveblobs.html

Steve Evans’ YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG…B-I5-XO_jO3fsU7y7

New Slipstream album, Liberty: slipstream1.bandcamp.com/album/liberty

In this episode, we walk with Jesus as we discuss one of Spacemen 3’s most famous songs. Ian and Mark dissect the many recorded versions, and are joined by Pat Fish of The Jazz Butcher for a chat about a couple of versions where Pat supplied vocals. Plus contributions from a few other fans for which this is a favourite song.

Band photo taken during the Walkin’ With Jesus single cover shoot courtesy of Craig Wagstaff.

Playlist of studio and demo versions: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErIvO9NPzB2-Y-EBT-uzezgU

Playlist of Spacemen 3 live versions: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErKMo0mYJx2TOzplGtD9rBAG

Playlist of Pat Fish versions: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErLhnzUWazB3WwgzBzIV_K4m

Playlist of post-Spacemen 3 live versions: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErLZFhHGNkvLcmtf_UmtTnZJ

Playlist of cover versions: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErIpP7yTuLwuj_uMSOrIlSEo

Walkin’ With Jesus original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxZx2B08Kn8

The Five Americans – I See The Light: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArdpKkn7v0

Sonic Boom Bandcamp with tour dates: https://sonicboomspacemen3.bandcamp.com/community

Spiritualized site with reissue details: https://www.spiritualized.com/

Will Carruthers’ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/willcarruthers/posts

Hoxton Gallery Tilt exhibition with some of Will’s artwork: https://www.hoxtongallery.co.uk/exhibitionlist/tilt

Andy Black’s record label, Popty Ping: https://popty-ping-records.bandcamp.com/

In this episode we conclude our interview with Mark Refoy, talking about his extensive post-Spiritualized work. As well as Mark’s many Slipstream albums, we talk about his time with Pet Shop Boys and the songs by other artists that he has guested on. Plus Graham Duff, writer of the BBC 3 comedy Ideal, tells us about his use of Mark’s music in the programme.

Slipstream on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/slipstreamuk

Slipstream on Bandcamp: https://slipstream1.bandcamp.com/music

Slipstream on Spotify (also includes a different Slipstream): https://open.spotify.com/artist/55bkpmIfvggwrDi3T1squ9

Slipstream on Apple Music (also includes a different Slipstream): https://music.apple.com/us/artist/slipstream/5308967

Slipstream at the Northampton Labour Club – Crayon Angels (Judee Sill)/Everything And Anything (2008): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSv4Ch8TM5A

Slipstream at the Northampton Labour Club – Psycho Paul (2010): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO8JcjJDZ5A

Restoration of Mark’s guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EdF5Tkzlnw

Sunshine Valley Dance Band – Maybe Next Time (Demo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLNdxSmLoI

Compilation of Psycho Paul moments from Ideal, ending with the Slipstream song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1fFX0w3ZTM

A reunion of friends – Walkin’ With Jesus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTR-fbcoQFw

Interview with Mark at The Lazarus Files: https://thelazarusfilesblog.wordpress.com/mark-refoy-slipstream-nov-2019/

Interview with Mark at American Noir: https://american-noir.blogspot.com/2017/11/venturing-into-slipstream-interview.html

Pet Shop Boys Peel session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCg5bcbKwWs

Pet Shop Boys at Live 8 – It’s A Sin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N60fO1xOcXA

Pet Shop Boys – Love Comes Quickly (Cologne, 2002): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90dkSscYePQ

Philip Parfitt – Are We Really Still The Same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibLAERS6zU

Morningface & Slipstream – I Don’t Wanna Know: https://soundcloud.com/broadcast-jones/morningface-slipstream-i-dont-wanna-know

Fuxa – Real Wild Child: https://soundcloud.com/fuxa/real-wild-child-teaser

Lucigenic – Hope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F4zPuBOaRA

She Robot – Obsessed With You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzixUtcnrjo

Paul Roderick – The Thrill Of New Love: https://soundcloud.com/mboppromotions/the-thrill-of-new-love-paul-roderick-diane-charlemagne-mark-refoy

Paul Roderick – Shadow Boxing: https://soundcloud.com/mboppromotions/shadow-boxing-paul-roderick-feat-diane-charlemagne-and-mark-refoy

Damian Smiler – 2020 Club: https://soundcloud.com/damien-smiler/2020-club

Graham Duff’s label Heaven’s Lathe: https://music.heavenslathe.co.uk/album/crumb-dropper

Judee Sill – The Kiss on the Old Grey Whistle Test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feFedDW_iQ

Simon Wolstencroft on Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonWolstencr1/with_replies

Kraftwerk at Hammersmith Palais, 29/6/81: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joUUjvP2Sc8

Lieutenant Pigeon – The Villain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE7o0_2jJcM

Anthony Tombling’s project, Cuts: https://soundcloud.com/cutsmusic

We continue our chat with Mark Refoy, who recounts his memories of making the Spiritualized album Pure Phase.

Photo of Mark in the early days of Slipstream courtesy of Phil Nicholls (www.instagram.com/philnichollsphotography/).

New Slipstream track, Bradlaugh Fields Forever: https://slipstream1.bandcamp.com/

Rumponia compilation including a Cellar 16 song: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Rumponia-An-Answer-Within/release/828112

Spiritualized at Glastonbury 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cInkTa9kq3A

Spiritualized at Glastonbury 1993: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrfyX6K1yMg

Spiritualized MTV session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfV_xwXvYJU

Andrew McCulloch’s piece on Pure Phase: https://evenbutterfliesmakeasound.com/2021/06/12/the-spaceman-reissue-program-pure-phase/

Pete Bassman Manchester date, 13 November: https://www.facebook.com/events/505876707123401/?ref=newsfeed

Electronic Sound magazine with Jason interview: https://electronicsound.co.uk/shop/p/issue-78

Relatively Clean Rivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6h-rQmyaag

In this episode, we continue our chat with Mark Refoy, talking about his time in Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized, and we examine I Love You from the final Spacemen3 album Recurring.

Photo of Mark with the first Spiritualized lineup courtesy of Phil Nicholls (https://www.instagram.com/philnichollsphotography/).

Spacemen 3 at Subterania, 22 August 1989, part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKys-TmhrbA

Spacemen 3 at Subterania, 22 August 1989, part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKO6oBt-KM

Spacemen 3 at the Reading Festival, 25 August 1989: https://soundcloud.com/stef-j-c/spacemen-3-live-reading-festival25th-august-1989

Art & Language: Letters to The Jackson Pollock Bar in the Style of The Red Krayola (includes link to the video of the event): https://www.lissongallery.com/news/art-language-letters-to-jackson-pollock-bar-event

Buy J Spaceman And J Coxon Play The Red Krayola Live 1967: https://honestjons.com/shop/artist/J_Spaceman_And_J_Coxon/release/J_Spaceman_And_J_Coxon_Play_The_Red_Krayola_Live_1967

Synthetic Dreams podcast with Pete Kember: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1674871/8550939-sonic-boom-aka-pete-kember?play=true

New Cheval Sombre album at Sonic Cathedral: https://www.soniccathedral.co.uk/2021/05/28/cheval-sombres-new-album-days-go-by-is-out-now/

Will Carruthers on Twitter with details of his online gig: https://twitter.com/willcarruthers/status/1394609050671849475

Bob Marley’s musical influence on I Love You, Mr Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amGI5T0JGDc

Bob Marley’s lyrical influence on I Love You, Duppy Conqueror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yy29XUsceU

Jan and Dean – Things Go Better With Coke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2dWAjw-SC4

In our third episode, Ian and Mark chat to Mark Refoy about the bands he was a part of in the 1980s and his memories of seeing Spacemen 3 as a fan. The interview will continue in future episodes, covering Mark’s time in Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized and the many projects he has been involved with since. Photo: Mark with the Tell Tale Hearts, playing Jason’s telecaster during a Spacemen 3 support slot at the Roadmenders, Northampton, February 1986.

The Syndromes CD can be bought from here: http://shop.detourrecords.co.uk/epages/es785745.sf/en_GB/?ObjectID=50787177

Video of Mark playing with Cellar 16 at the Black Lion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/388857112011023/permalink/753018358928228/

Playlist of songs from Mark’s early bands: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnuXxuwZuErIjJxV9HM_DyyI_r_xFbJLu

Whistle Test piece on the Northampton Musician’s Collective: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIY1k3yCZY

Graham Holiday’s book about his (and Mark’s) first Spacemen 3 gig: https://thegrassisgreeninthefieldsforyou.co.uk/004

Sonic Boom Bandcamp page, including details of live dates: https://sonicboomspacemen3.bandcamp.com/

Spiritualized site with links to stores to order reissues: https://www.spiritualized.com/

The Psychedelic Schafferson Jetplane: https://volantediscos.com/album/the-psychedelic-schafferson-jetplane

Foxtrot Sierra & His Uniforms: https://foxtrotsierra.bandcamp.com/

Latin American Spacemen 3 tribute album (free!): https://pleromadiscos.bandcamp.com/album/jugando-con-fuego-2013

In this second episode, Ian and Mark chat about Transparent Radiation and the November 1985 gig at the Mercia Leisure Centre. Greg Jarvis from Flowers of Hell describes his Spacemen 3 voyage of discovery, and there’s a discussion of Spacemen contemporaries Loop.

Many thanks to Greg Jarvis (https://www.flowersofhell.com/), Gavin Wissen for Mercia memories, and Steve Evans for permission to use his early band photo.

Spacemen 3 play Transparent Radiation at Willem 1, Arnhem, Netherlands, 13 April 1989: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_xe12lBVo

Spacemen 3 play Transparent Radiation at the Forum, Enger, Germany, 6 May 1989: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VajENwvV1U

Spiritualized site, with links to stores to order reissues: https://www.spiritualized.com/

Pete Kember’s BandCamp: https://sonicboomspacemen3.bandcamp.com/

Pete Bain gig, London, 18 November: https://www.facebook.com/events/315448602861434/

Pete Bain gig, Colchester, 19 November: https://hotboxlive.co.uk/event/thee-lucifer-sams-pete-bassman/

More about the Mercia Leisure Centre gig: https://spacemen3.co.uk/gigs/19851127-2/

Episode One – Introducing Spacemen Pod. Chat about how we discovered Spacemen 3; what it is about them that is so special to us; a discussion of our joint favourite Spacemen 3 song, Feel So Good; a look back at the January 1988 gig at the Rose Club in Cologne; and an overview of Glaxie 500, a favourite of many Spacemen fans.

The YouTube upload of the Rose Club gig can be found at the bottom of this page.

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5 Comments

  1. Well done, Ian & Mark!
    it’s so nice to listen to your banter about the people, experiences, songs & personal impacts. sorta like the 3rd dimension not easily done in text.
    it would be so nice if we could all get in a room and just rap about this! i’m sure we’d all learn to hear new perspectives of this band and just vibe out together!
    however, i know, easier said then done; so in the meantime i look forward to your next episode! (no pressure lol!)
    sincerely,
    Kevin

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  2. Very cool to finally hear your voices after all these years – you forgot to mention that the best part of that Cologne gig is when someone in the audience shouts “Louder!” at Pete and he replies with a full-on pummeling blast of feedback. Looking forward to the next episode!

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  3. Bloody love this, there really is something about spacemen and the respective solo acts that connects the with me like nothing else. Unfortunately they were well before my time and will have to settle for seeing as many spiritualized and sonic boom gigs as I possibly can (not a bad compromise to be fair). Cannot wait for the next episode

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    1. Ah, thanks Nicky. It’s even more frustrating for me, they weren’t before my time but I didn’t discover them until it was too late. They played in the town I live in four times, I could have gone to all of them, but no. It has been an age since the last pod, but another is finally planned, shouldn’t be too long I hope.

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